Comments on: Advice to the Clinton campaign http://www.badgerblues.org/2008/02/06/advice-to-the-clinton-campaign/ progressive politics from Madison, Wisconsin Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:21:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Keisha Thompson http://www.badgerblues.org/2008/02/06/advice-to-the-clinton-campaign/#comment-101561 Keisha Thompson Fri, 15 Feb 2008 01:38:32 +0000 http://www.badgerblues.org/2008/02/06/advice-to-the-clinton-campaign/#comment-101561 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/08/opinion/08steinem.html?_r=1&oref=slogin http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/08/opinion/08steinem.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

]]> By: steven http://www.badgerblues.org/2008/02/06/advice-to-the-clinton-campaign/#comment-101533 steven Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:51:46 +0000 http://www.badgerblues.org/2008/02/06/advice-to-the-clinton-campaign/#comment-101533 What's better than Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama in the White House for 8 years? Hillary Clinton AND Barack Obama in the White House for 16 years! http://www.16yearplan.com What’s better than Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama in the White House for 8 years?

Hillary Clinton AND Barack Obama in the White House for 16 years!

http://www.16yearplan.com

]]> By: Ben http://www.badgerblues.org/2008/02/06/advice-to-the-clinton-campaign/#comment-101529 Ben Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:11:09 +0000 http://www.badgerblues.org/2008/02/06/advice-to-the-clinton-campaign/#comment-101529 Winning a Democratic primary in a state is not indicative of an ability to compete there in a general election. The Democratic electorate of deep-red North Dakota is not that different from the Democratic electorate of solid-blue Oregon. It's just that, in North Dakota, there aren't as many of them. If Democratic voters in Arizona like Clinton a little bit better, and if Democratic voters in Missouri like Obama a little better, it doesn't mean that both (or neither) of them won't win those states in the fall. The exit polls from everywhere -- red states, blue states, swing states -- suggest that most Democrats like both candidates a whole lot, and will vote for whomever we nominate. The ability to bring independents into a coalition, or to increase Democratic identification and turnout, is a separate thing. While my instincts tell me that Obama is better at this, I couldn't really prove it with much evidence, and I could make an almost-as-convincing (and equally evidence-free) argument for Clinton's ability to win a working Democratic majority. Winning a Democratic primary in a state is not indicative of an ability to compete there in a general election. The Democratic electorate of deep-red North Dakota is not that different from the Democratic electorate of solid-blue Oregon. It’s just that, in North Dakota, there aren’t as many of them.

If Democratic voters in Arizona like Clinton a little bit better, and if Democratic voters in Missouri like Obama a little better, it doesn’t mean that both (or neither) of them won’t win those states in the fall. The exit polls from everywhere — red states, blue states, swing states — suggest that most Democrats like both candidates a whole lot, and will vote for whomever we nominate.

The ability to bring independents into a coalition, or to increase Democratic identification and turnout, is a separate thing. While my instincts tell me that Obama is better at this, I couldn’t really prove it with much evidence, and I could make an almost-as-convincing (and equally evidence-free) argument for Clinton’s ability to win a working Democratic majority.

]]> By: Irish http://www.badgerblues.org/2008/02/06/advice-to-the-clinton-campaign/#comment-101523 Irish Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:27:47 +0000 http://www.badgerblues.org/2008/02/06/advice-to-the-clinton-campaign/#comment-101523 This whole thing is freaking me out. While the republicans will remain split on John McCain, when they see Hillary on the dem ticket you can bet they are going to rally behind him. And while Rush and those other lunatics in the republican hate machine are not fans of McCain, you can be sure they'll be happy to lay into Hillary. I mean, it's not like they are particularly good at advocating for candidates anyway, but they excel at tearing them down. In a race of Hill vs Mac, I honestly don't think the dems can win. With Obama, at least they have a shot. As an aside, while I am not a Hillary fan, she did win in swing states. From an electoral point of view, it doesn't really matter who wins in Georgia and Alabama, because the democrats are never going to win those states. She "won" Florida, she's set up to win Ohio, I refuse to give her any credit for Michigan, she squeaked out a win in New Mexico, and won in Nevada. I know Obama took a few swings, but she seems to do better in those states. This whole thing is freaking me out. While the republicans will remain split on John McCain, when they see Hillary on the dem ticket you can bet they are going to rally behind him. And while Rush and those other lunatics in the republican hate machine are not fans of McCain, you can be sure they’ll be happy to lay into Hillary. I mean, it’s not like they are particularly good at advocating for candidates anyway, but they excel at tearing them down. In a race of Hill vs Mac, I honestly don’t think the dems can win. With Obama, at least they have a shot.

As an aside, while I am not a Hillary fan, she did win in swing states. From an electoral point of view, it doesn’t really matter who wins in Georgia and Alabama, because the democrats are never going to win those states. She “won” Florida, she’s set up to win Ohio, I refuse to give her any credit for Michigan, she squeaked out a win in New Mexico, and won in Nevada. I know Obama took a few swings, but she seems to do better in those states.

]]> By: henry dubb http://www.badgerblues.org/2008/02/06/advice-to-the-clinton-campaign/#comment-101521 henry dubb Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:41:07 +0000 http://www.badgerblues.org/2008/02/06/advice-to-the-clinton-campaign/#comment-101521 Ben, You misread, it is not the popular vote but the delegate count, those are not the same thing. As you know several times those who got the popular vote, ended up with less of the delegates. I think Clinton could argue her support would be more beneficial come November than Obama's. Winning a whole bunch of states that will go Republican really does not mean much. I do agree with you that when she answers questions, she has a likable quality to her. I did notice that Obama has started airing a new Pepsi commercial. Ben,

You misread, it is not the popular vote but the delegate count, those are not the same thing. As you know several times those who got the popular vote, ended up with less of the delegates.

I think Clinton could argue her support would be more beneficial come November than Obama’s. Winning a whole bunch of states that will go Republican really does not mean much.

I do agree with you that when she answers questions, she has a likable quality to her. I did notice that Obama has started airing a new Pepsi commercial.

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