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	<title>Comments on: Traffic circles</title>
	<link>http://www.badgerblues.org/2008/04/30/traffic-circles/</link>
	<description>progressive politics from Madison, Wisconsin</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Ted Voth Jr</title>
		<link>http://www.badgerblues.org/2008/04/30/traffic-circles/#comment-101894</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 02:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>'Pitting an elite bureaucracy of, er, civil engineers'

If you follow City of Madison politics with regard to local neighborhoods very long at all, you learn that the the true élite of Madison, the true rulers of the City, are not the Common Council, nor even the Mayor– certainly not the Citizens!– but the traffic engineers indeed. 

They are the priest-kings, the servants, of the great god Automobile. Their sole purpose is to insure that ever-larger numbers of motor vehicles may run ever less hindered courses, ever faster and faster, from one end of the City to the other, and back again. They are Wise and Good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Pitting an elite bureaucracy of, er, civil engineers&#8217;</p>
<p>If you follow City of Madison politics with regard to local neighborhoods very long at all, you learn that the the true élite of Madison, the true rulers of the City, are not the Common Council, nor even the Mayor– certainly not the Citizens!– but the traffic engineers indeed. </p>
<p>They are the priest-kings, the servants, of the great god Automobile. Their sole purpose is to insure that ever-larger numbers of motor vehicles may run ever less hindered courses, ever faster and faster, from one end of the City to the other, and back again. They are Wise and Good.
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		<title>by: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.badgerblues.org/2008/04/30/traffic-circles/#comment-101891</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 15:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The lower cost of upkeep is a benefit I hadn't even considered. I'm agnostic on the road rage, though. The residential streets where the circles are being installed don't seem especially conducive to road rage, since there's already a presumption of not driving all that fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lower cost of upkeep is a benefit I hadn&#8217;t even considered. I&#8217;m agnostic on the road rage, though. The residential streets where the circles are being installed don&#8217;t seem especially conducive to road rage, since there&#8217;s already a presumption of not driving all that fast.
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		<title>by: tee bee</title>
		<link>http://www.badgerblues.org/2008/04/30/traffic-circles/#comment-101888</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 12:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Traffic circles could probably reduce if not end road rage. 

And how can you complain about the cost of something you don't have to send a repairman out to fix every time the wind blows hard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Traffic circles could probably reduce if not end road rage. </p>
<p>And how can you complain about the cost of something you don&#8217;t have to send a repairman out to fix every time the wind blows hard?
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		<title>by: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.badgerblues.org/2008/04/30/traffic-circles/#comment-101884</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 17:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well, it's a grassroots, salt-of-the-earth plan to Europificate us, in any event. 

I have heard complaints that bicyclists don't like them -- drivers end up tailgating them and being jerks, because there isn't always enough space to pass a bicyclist between roundabouts. But I think it was Paul Soglin who mentioned that, and he's kind of grumpy anyways, so who knows.

The WSJ seems driven more by a distaste of liberalism than anything else. Traffic circles are environmentally friendly. Therefore liberals like them. Therefore the WSJ will complain about how much they cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s a grassroots, salt-of-the-earth plan to Europificate us, in any event. </p>
<p>I have heard complaints that bicyclists don&#8217;t like them &#8212; drivers end up tailgating them and being jerks, because there isn&#8217;t always enough space to pass a bicyclist between roundabouts. But I think it was Paul Soglin who mentioned that, and he&#8217;s kind of grumpy anyways, so who knows.</p>
<p>The WSJ seems driven more by a distaste of liberalism than anything else. Traffic circles are environmentally friendly. Therefore liberals like them. Therefore the WSJ will complain about how much they cost.
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		<title>by: tee bee</title>
		<link>http://www.badgerblues.org/2008/04/30/traffic-circles/#comment-101882</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 09:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This is one of those cases where I don't care if it's an elitist plan to Europificate us. 

I love roundabouts. I hate stop signs and stop lights. Roundabouts are better for gas mileage, so doesn't that make it patriotic and all that? You'd think the WSJ would eat that up.</description>
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<p>I love roundabouts. I hate stop signs and stop lights. Roundabouts are better for gas mileage, so doesn&#8217;t that make it patriotic and all that? You&#8217;d think the WSJ would eat that up.
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